Why Can Gohan Go Super Saiyan Again
Could Gohan become Super Saiyan in his Ultimate form?
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Could Gohan get Super Saiyan in his Ultimate grade?
Ultimate Super Saiyan Gohan
Daizenshuu 2 states that Ultimate Gohan can nonetheless transform further into a Super Saiyan, all the same, even without transforming his ability withal surpasses Gotenks. Ultimate Gohan is rarely shown transforming into a Super Saiyan form throughout his appearances, though he does when found as a necessity every bit seen in Dragon Brawl Z: Battle of Gods when he helped contribute to making Goku go a Super Saiyan God. Later, non keeping up with his training during Dragon Brawl Z: Resurrection 'F', he became a Super Saiyan when fighting Shisami and effortlessly beats him. Gohan going Super Saiyan in his Ultimate class was powerful enough as to where it concerned and made the newly empowered Frieza to attack and kill Gohan so his men could have a adventure as Frieza himself says Gohan solitary is more than capable of beating all 1000 men by himself. Gohan was brought back to life by Piccolo moments later."
Gohan going Super Saiyan in his Ultimate Form during FNF was powerful enough as to where it concerned and made the newly empowered Frieza set on and kill Gohan. So, Gohan obviously got a power increase from using Ultimate + Super Saiyan.
El Manga Legendario suggests that Ultiamte is more a role of Base Gohan than a transformation
"Afterwards being costless from the Z sword, Ro Kaioshin succeeded to bring the latent ability of Gohan. The await on his face changed and became much more abrupt and implacable. He acquired such strenght that he didn't need to convert into a Super Saiyan to put Bu agaisnt the ropes.
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The Bu mentioned here was referring to Super Buu
What this is saying is that Gohan didn't [need to go Ultiamte Super Saiyan to defeat Super Buu.
Here is basically the transformations of Gohan every bit I see them:
Base Gohan (Supressed)
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Base Gohan 100%
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Ultiamte SSJ
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Ultimate SSJ SSJ2
What are your opinions? Could Gohan become Super Saiyan in his Ultimate course?
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Re: Could Gohan go Super Saiyan in his Ultimate course?
No. I don't recall he could accept. The reason why is, if he was getting the crap beating out of him by Buutenks, then if he knew he could go Super Saiyan, he would go SSJ to cease getting the crap browbeaten out of him.
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JacobYBM wrote:No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is non possible to reach in reality.
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Re: Could Gohan get Super Saiyan in his Ultimate form?
That's true, just Gohan went Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball GT and Revival of F. This happens later on the Buu Saga, so mayhap Gohan got stronger and and then some how achieved Super Saiyan on elevation of his Ultimate grade.
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Re: Could Gohan become Super Saiyan in his Ultimate grade?
I believe the idea is that the Super Saiyan transformation brings out portions of the users dormant power. However after Elder Kai's ritual, every ounce of latent potential inside Gohan's body was released. Meaning if he wanted to, he could even so transform and get the blond hair every bit seen in Battle of Gods, merely from a battle-perspective the transformation is useless considering Gohan already has access to all his power.
That is non to say Gohan can't continue preparation and grow stronger. This merely means he has reached a wall, and it'southward up to him to break through it, every bit characters often do. At that place were many points where Goku reached the noon of his potential; the first was with the Ultra Divine Water given to him by Korin, which was specifically stated to bring out the user'due south full potential, IF they can survive it'south poisonous furnishings. So by preparation with Kami he was able to become passed his full potential by training his ki instead of muscles, and by training with King Kai he again pushed passed his potential with gravity grooming. The list goes on. Goku reaches the noon of his potential all the time. So there's no reason to believe Gohan can't continue getting stronger.
Although that was all rather off-topic I suppose. Sorry.
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Re: Could Gohan go Super Saiyan in his Ultimate form?
Mightiest Of Warriors is it's ain form, he can go super saiyan but it wouldn't be equally strong as MOW.
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Re: Could Gohan get Super Saiyan in his Ultimate form?
I assume he tin can't (or couldn't until the Super Saiyan God ritual possibly negated information technology, my headcanon) because the requirement to tap into his Ultimate class was "erm...practice that Super whatchamacallit".
I'd say that if the trigger for his Ultimate form is going Super whatchamacallit, then he couldn't go Super whatchamacallit.
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Re: Could Gohan get Super Saiyan in his Ultimate class?
If he could he'd have kicked the over loving shit out of Buu which plain didn't happen then the clear answer is he can switch between them simply can't stack them up.
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Re: Could Gohan go Super Saiyan in his Ultimate grade?
I don't think Gohan'south Super Saiyan transformations stack on peak of his Ultimate Form.
If yous're looking for a concrete in-Universe explanation, at that place isn't one. In the Manga, Gohan achieves his 'ultimate' state after the Elder Kai's ritual and being asked to plow Super Saiyan - for many years, this was taken as implicit proof that the form prevented, or at least superseded his ability to turn into a conventional Super Saiyan.
In Dragonball GT, Gohan was depicted every bit a Super Saiyan without any explanation, fueling years of argue on the matter, which only seemed to grow when promotional material for Battle of Gods appeared to depict Gohan as using his Super Saiyan course. After fan backfire over Twitter, it is likely that Toei re-coloured Gohan to depict him using his ultimate class for boxing against Beerus, earlier then also showing him every bit a Super Saiyan for the God ritual. Whether intended or not, this is the start in-Universe verification that Gohan can use both either his ultimate or Super Saiyan forms.
As for RoF, nevertheless, who knows? It's implied that Gohan'south lack of training has made him and then rusty that, initially, he only speculates that he thinks he tin still become a Super Saiyan - not to mention a Super Saiyan ii. There is no clear definition on the thing, but there'south certainly no evidence that Gohan is able to stack his forms to go stronger - the indication is the opposite, and that years of neglecting his training have left him weak.
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Re: Could Gohan go Super Saiyan in his Ultimate grade?
Terminal fourth dimension I checked, Ultimate Gohan was form of its own and the most powerful country he could attain. Going Super Saiyan would just a downgrade at this stage because the transformations don't stack up. There'due south never been a reason why that is the instance, but seeing that his Ultimate form is the strongest form he could achieve, it's only accepted among the fandom that any other grade or transformation apart class that is weaker in comparison, and as a result, incompatible with his Ultimate form.
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Re: Could Gohan go Super Saiyan in his Ultimate form?
ShadowDude112 wrote:No. I don't think he could have. The reason why is, if he was getting the crap beating out of him past Buutenks, so if he knew he could become Super Saiyan, he would go SSJ to finish getting the crap beaten out of him.
IIRC, the elder Kai told Gohan he can transform into a Ssj but it's unnecessary because he already tapped into that power without transforming.
And if he transforms into a Ssj It wouldn't have made him stronger its only a waste of energy to transform. Goku and Vegeta sometimes don't transform if it doesn't make whatsoever difference in battle to relieve more Ki
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Re: Could Gohan go Super Saiyan in his Ultimate form?
I always supposed that he technically could, but information technology wasn't necessary: he'd waste matter energy and wouldn't get whatsoever more than powerful.
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Re: Could Gohan go Super Saiyan in his Ultimate course?
Well if we go past Viz's interpretation:
Gohan: H- how do I become the mightiest of warriors, with strength beyond my limits?
Elder Kaiōshin: Ah, well, you lot transform into that Super-whatever-you lot-telephone call-it frequently enough. That's the gist of it. Yous just take to get yourself fired up.
Gohan: The gist of becoming Super Saiyan, right? Understood!
Information technology makes information technology sound like Ultimate replaces Super Saiyan as the power up move is the same. Maybe past the time RoF came around, he was and then cached in his studies he just took the power up he was nigh comfortable with using, and did Super Saiyan. Or the Ultimate form is temporary and fades if the subject doesn't railroad train (the style muscles do).
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Re: Could Gohan go Super Saiyan in his Ultimate class?
I don't believe Daizenshuu 2 definitively states he can still transform into Super Saiyan, it sounds more than like information technology's reiterating what Goku says after Gohan powers upwardly.
In Battle of Gods, even a fetus Pan was conveyed to go Super Saiyan. Then I wouldn't attribute Gohan using the grade over again on account of his own conscious actions. The fact that all the Saiyans get Super Saiyan at precisely the same time only reinforces to me that it was acquired by some magical effect of the ritual.
In Revival of F, Gohan'south base of operations course eyes are not even drawn completely outlined anymore. And then if they're shown to accept liberties with the original material in that regard, it'due south no surprise he was depicted as a Super Saiyan, and not his Ultimate state.
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Re: Could Gohan go Super Saiyan in his Ultimate form?
Ultimate is not a transformation, information technology's a power upwardly. Merely similar the Super Kami Water is not a transformation, and neither is the M Elder-potencial-unlocking.
Post-Erstwhile Kaioshin ritual-Gohan is shown transforming into Super Saiyan in BoG, RoF, and GT, so there yous have it.
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Re: Could Gohan get Super Saiyan in his Ultimate form?
Sandubadear wrote:Ultimate is non a transformation, it's a power up. Only like the Super Kami Water is not a transformation, and neither is the K Elder-potencial-unlocking.
Post-Quondam Kaioshin ritual-Gohan is shown transforming into Super Saiyan in BoG, RoF, and GT, then there you have it.
It is a pseudo-transformation.
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Re: Could Gohan become Super Saiyan in his Ultimate form?
I experience like the simplest answer is yes, but it does absolutely nothing; it'due south substantially a nightlight at this point for him. Gohan is already as strong every bit he'll ever be. In a way, that's kind of a nice ending for him if you don't take into account post-manga material. The pacifist/scholar character has reached his limits and no amount of training or transformations volition change that. He's finally free. I guess I will also throw out my feelings that "Ultimate" is not a real power-up or form as it'south taken in the video games. It's just Gohan with all latent abilities brought to the surface.
I haven't seen F yet, so no idea how it's handled there.
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